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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:28 pm
by benclare
Aussie Showmen are good at choosing thrill rides that remain popular for years and are easy to transport. I wouldn't be surprised to see this new machine in Oz in the next few years if it does well in Europe; perhaps a Showman over there may sell one to an Australian operator like Space Roller; a very successful transaction for all involved I'd say!

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:30 pm
by Top Gunner14
I know of a few secrets

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:33 pm
by Paulie123
Oh spill!

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:14 pm
by Top Gunner14
Nope, can't

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:16 pm
by Paulie123
dang. tell me one thing, am i gunna be happy with this 'secret'

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:06 pm
by Top Gunner14
Nope

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:27 pm
by mmk
I was speaking to an operator the other day and they mentioned many of the new/2nd hand thrill rides in Australia are not actually 'owned' by the operator, merely a lease agreement between the operator and the broker where they pay a monthly fee for use of the ride until it has covered the cost.

i had never heard of such a thing as most of WA's showmen own their rides outright.

apparently its popular in the eastern states. does anyone know more about these 'leasing' arrangements?

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:52 pm
by Hurricane
OMG *Chains myself to Space Roller*

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:07 pm
by CoinKing
mmk wrote:I was speaking to an operator the other day and they mentioned many of the new/2nd hand thrill rides in Australia are not actually 'owned' by the operator, merely a lease agreement between the operator and the broker where they pay a monthly fee for use of the ride until it has covered the cost.

i had never heard of such a thing as most of WA's showmen own their rides outright.

apparently its popular in the eastern states. does anyone know more about these 'leasing' arrangements?
lease?
Loan?

Companys do have to take out loans to buy rides, trucks , generators.

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:31 pm
by mmk
Clay wrote: lease?
Loan?

Companys do have to take out loans to buy rides, trucks , generators.
yeah loans through the bank or credit institutions you mean. But im talking about actual 'Ride Brokers' that purchase the ride, then rent it to an operator who maintains it and does the show runs with it. I know of two rides from the eastern states that are over at the moment that are under than arrangement but i dont think its my place to say what rides.

i just thought it was interesting that the actual showmen don't actually 'own' the ride.

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:02 pm
by Vee
Doesn't really surprise me, it would take a while to make back 1.5 million.

Edit: 1.5 million profit

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:10 pm
by Top Gunner14
Yes, they are alot of money some of the rides

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:07 pm
by CoinKing
mmk wrote:
Clay wrote: lease?
Loan?

Companys do have to take out loans to buy rides, trucks , generators.
yeah loans through the bank or credit institutions you mean. But im talking about actual 'Ride Brokers' that purchase the ride, then rent it to an operator who maintains it and does the show runs with it. I know of two rides from the eastern states that are over at the moment that are under than arrangement but i dont think its my place to say what rides.

i just thought it was interesting that the actual showmen don't actually 'own' the ride.
yeah could be true

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:43 pm
by Hurricane
*Remains Clinging to Space Roller and attaches himself to SkyWalker* MINE! I don't actually know if these are the rides but they aint going anywhere if they indeed are. I will make sure of it :lol:

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:08 pm
by HUSSRAINBOW
Wasn't that the case with MATTERHORN?
Wittingslow didn't actually own it, they used to run it at the shows, and down at Rye .... I always remember the truck that towed it saying.. MATTERHORN AMUSEMENTS, weird... haha

Rainbow was co-owned for a bit, Garry was running it in Sydney in 2002 for Wittingslow, and then they took care of both Rainbow and Ranger down in Melbourne, no idea what the case for Ekka and Adelaide were.

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:14 pm
by Paulie123
whats the reason rainbow doesnt do more shows?

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:18 pm
by ozshowkid
Way off the grid with this one, all the eastern state opperators do get loans to buy there rides, a ride broker may have simply did the deal for the Aussie opperator. Therefore the broker is entitled a fee which may be paid at a later date. But I have not heard of any rides over here that are leased from Brokers.

Cheers OZshowkid

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:47 pm
by CoinKing
ozshowkid wrote:Way off the grid with this one, all the eastern state opperators do get loans to buy there rides, a ride broker may have simply did the deal for the Aussie opperator. Therefore the broker is entitled a fee which may be paid at a later date. But I have not heard of any rides over here that are leased from Brokers.

Cheers OZshowkid

yeah this is the truth, someones pulling your leg mmk

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:03 pm
by HUSSRAINBOW
I really have no idea as to why Rainbow doesn't at least to Moomba and the Melbourne Show, O'Neills always do very well with their rides at moomba, and wave swinger and kiddie rides in Melbourne... it's a real shame

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:25 pm
by Hurricane
*Releases my grip from SkyWalker and Space Roller* Phew...

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:19 am
by Top Gunner14
Lol Hurri, yeh, It is ridiculous Garry doesn't take Ranger and rainbow anywhere else. They are both good rides

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:59 pm
by Hurricane
Yeah, I'd love to give them both a whirl... Apparently the gears are really loud on Ranger and I love that sound... The hangover has a pretty loud gear box too... Shockwave... Well it's quite and purdy :P

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:03 pm
by Top Gunner14
Yeh, ranger sounds awesome, hangover is as loud as the OFA Skymaster which is a pile of sh**. Yeh, Shockwave is very quite

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:49 pm
by princess
quote]Went on 3 times. The first 2 goes we went over the top 4 times and then that was it. But then gave us a longer go the third and that was lots of fun. And the motor sounded just like oneills ranger, Was very loud. But i luv the sound of the motors screaming. Good ride, needed a cleanup and a new paintjob.
mmmm so it is not a good ride Topgunner?

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:26 pm
by Top Gunner14
Yep, thats what I'm saying but I'll be seeing it this weekend, I'll see if its been refubished and repainted